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Re: Pat Condell

Postby James on Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:45 am

jonny_boy34 wrote:I could of course argue that the fact there's no evidence of it means it's probably not true...


Yeah this is the closest an atheist can realistically get - it's why Richard Dawkins in his book has a whole section called 'Why God Almost Certainly Does Not Exist', and not 'Why God Does Not Exist'. It is a question of evidence, and while no, we cannot say "God DOES NOT exist", we certainly can say "the probability of God existing is tiny, based on the available evidence".

It may be useful reading this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#De ... stinctions

Although ultimately I don't much care how it's all defined - if someone asks I'm an atheist, just like I'm an atheist towards fairies; I do not believe in fairies. I do not know fairies do not exist, but I see no evidence for them and think they are extremely unlikely.

I should not push my beliefs on to anyone else, for I would hate for someone to do the same to me.


I'm sure most would agree with that - although the question is, is UNbelief the same as belief? What doctrines and opinions are part of the "atheism" package? It is simply saying you don't believe in someone else's God.
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Re: Pat Condell

Postby jonny_boy34 on Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:45 am

As long as it doesn't make anyone else unhappy.

EDIT: This was a reply to Martin's post.
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Re: Pat Condell

Postby MartinC on Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:47 am

jonny_boy34 wrote:As long as it doesn't make anyone else unhappy.

EDIT: This was a reply to Martin's post.


Yes, this is right.
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Re: Pat Condell

Postby boovidge on Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:19 pm

if you take atheism to be the firm belief that there is no god or equivelent force then i think the only logical stance is to be agnostic.

i would say there is more evidence for the existence of a god or 'creator' than fairies.
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Re: Pat Condell

Postby Dian Wei on Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:03 pm

I think this topic is entirely pointless.
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Re: Pat Condell

Postby Metal Iain on Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:09 pm

boovidge wrote:i would say there is more evidence for the existence of a god or 'creator' than fairies.


I want to know what people have been looking for to have determined there is no evidence of God.
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Re: Pat Condell

Postby caspio on Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:15 pm

Fingerprints from when he "made us"?
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Re: Pat Condell

Postby James on Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:10 pm

boovidge wrote:i would say there is more evidence for the existence of a god or 'creator' than fairies.


Like what?

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Re: Pat Condell

Postby Dian Wei on Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:42 pm

I don't James exists, there is no evidence to support it.
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Re: Pat Condell

Postby James on Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:43 pm

That is actually true.
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Re: Pat Condell

Postby Metal Iain on Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:29 am

caspio wrote:Fingerprints from when he "made us"?


I reckon people get too caught up in looking to prove or disprove the existence of God as described by major religions rather than just pondering the difficult questions for themselves. Whilst this may lead some to science, I don't have the brain to comprehend the physics behind the creation of the universe so I just concentrate on the simpler stuff when trying to get to sleep. I guess the most obvious example, and one that relates to Pat Condell-style rants (If God exists and is merciful, why does 'he' let bad things happen?), is why stuff has panned out in the way it has and if it was always meant to - i.e. utter bollocks but bollocks which can be helpful to help you understand your life better.
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Re: Pat Condell

Postby Lev on Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:35 am

Does God have a God? And if so, shouldn't we be praying to him?



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Re: Pat Condell

Postby James on Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:41 am

Maybe the whole universe is the daydream of an ant!
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Re: Pat Condell

Postby Dian Wei on Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:58 am

Maybe god is the dream of a swan's turd?
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Re: Pat Condell

Postby James on Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:08 am

Maybe Jeremy Kyle is the Messiah...
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