it is always best to remain unsinged., the amount you end up oweing to labels now is ridiculous.. The state of the music industry is amazing, you have to buy your way on to everything its disgusting, something i , personally as a musician and a member of a band, will never participate in.......

It seems the only thing bands are interested in now adays....

.I see few bands with much honour and respect.



Cannot you see that the only reason a label wants to sign you is to turn you into some sort of marketing package that can be nicely distributed to the masses.....

All i see is bands searching to get signed....why?,...

why do you need to get signed? In this day and age you are completely capable of distributing your own material now....


and it also means that you are able to correspond about gigs with at least a little bit of dignity, instead of false pretenses. Which is all a label is interested in...


Down with the Record Labels, Long live a New world Order.

BEER CAN wrote:it is always best to remain unsinged., the amount you end up oweing to labels now is ridiculous.. The state of the music industry is amazing, you have to buy your way on to everything its disgusting, something i , personally as a musician and a member of a band, will never participate in.......

It seems the only thing bands are interested in now adays....

.I see few bands with much honour and respect.



Cannot you see that the only reason a label wants to sign you is to turn you into some sort of marketing package that can be nicely distributed to the masses.....

All i see is bands searching to get signed....why?,...

why do you need to get signed? In this day and age you are completely capable of distributing your own material now....


and it also means that you are able to correspond about gigs with at least a little bit of dignity, instead of false pretenses. Which is all a label is interested in...


Down with the Record Labels, Long live a New world Order.

A small portion of Uk Thrash just got pwnd

Bangover wrote:

BEER CAN wrote:it is always best to remain unsinged., the amount you end up oweing to labels now is ridiculous.. The state of the music industry is amazing, you have to buy your way on to everything its disgusting, something i , personally as a musician and a member of a band, will never participate in.......

It seems the only thing bands are interested in now adays....

.I see few bands with much honour and respect.



Cannot you see that the only reason a label wants to sign you is to turn you into some sort of marketing package that can be nicely distributed to the masses.....

All i see is bands searching to get signed....why?,...

why do you need to get signed? In this day and age you are completely capable of distributing your own material now....


and it also means that you are able to correspond about gigs with at least a little bit of dignity, instead of false pretenses. Which is all a label is interested in...


Down with the Record Labels, Long live a New world Order.

A small portion of Uk Thrash just got pwnd

You mean everyone who paid to get a contract?

Basically.

people have been saying that shit for years! theres nothing wrong with wanting to get signed, it opens fuckin doors! just look at evile, they werent playing a massive amount of gigs or doing any where near as well as they are now, until they got signed! i highly doubt there album would have got to 33 in the rock charts had they not been signed to earache, who have done shit loads for them!!! and i know they didnt buy there way into that

poison_was_the_cure wrote:people have been saying that shit for years! theres nothing wrong with wanting to get signed, it opens fuckin doors! just look at evile, they werent playing a massive amount of gigs or doing any where near as well as they are now, until they got signed! i highly doubt there album would have got to 33 in the rock charts had they not been signed to earache, who have done shit loads for them!!! and i know they didnt buy there way into that

Exactly.

It is definately easier nowadays for a band to distribute their own CD's and gain a good following without the help of a label, but you can only go so far doing that. A decent label will put enough finance up to market the band properly, get them on the right tours, etc. and have more clout in the industry to get them the right deals, publicity, etc.

So you end up owing money to the label, but if the label are doing their jobs properly then they should recoup that money through the sales anyway.

Record deals, eh? For a start, it's pretty much a matter of fact that the recording industry is in near-terminal decline, while the demand for merchandise and live performance has increased dramatically.

Aside from exceptions like Enter Shikari (who have shunned all deals in favour of managing their own material - and who still have distro/PR deals with companies and therefore aren't totally independent) it's still essential for bands, especially non-trendy bands, to secure financing, support and promotion from record labels as they stand. Myspace can't, sadly, win you a place on a decent European tour or pull a proper audience together. Maybe someday it will...

Being concerned about being turned into 'some sort of marketing package' is rather naive - after all, bands have names, logos, stage clothes and t-shirts for this very reason - to package themselves. In fact, marketing is about 60% of what this forum is about. Reaching a broader audience is what it's all about, and you can't disparage that - reaching people is the reason music is made. that and drinking.

I'm getting off the point...

Being signed shouldn't be a band's be-all end-all, but it's a healthy goal and an achievable one to work towards.

Them's my two cents. [/quote]

If Heretic get signed i wanna see a HUGE set of tits on the 1st album cover. And by huge set of tits i don't mean a band photo. Arf.

Phillybomb wrote:Record deals, eh? For a start, it's pretty much a matter of fact that the recording industry is in near-terminal decline, while the demand for merchandise and live performance has increased dramatically.

Aside from exceptions like Enter Shikari (who have shunned all deals in favour of managing their own material - and who still have distro/PR deals with companies and therefore aren't totally independent) it's still essential for bands, especially non-trendy bands, to secure financing, support and promotion from record labels as they stand. Myspace can't, sadly, win you a place on a decent European tour or pull a proper audience together. Maybe someday it will...

Being concerned about being turned into 'some sort of marketing package' is rather naive - after all, bands have names, logos, stage clothes and t-shirts for this very reason - to package themselves. In fact, marketing is about 60% of what this forum is about. Reaching a broader audience is what it's all about, and you can't disparage that - reaching people is the reason music is made. that and drinking.

I'm getting off the point...

Being signed shouldn't be a band's be-all end-all, but it's a healthy goal and an achievable one to work towards.

Them's my two cents.

[/quote]

I totally agree with this.

Yeh good call, there's only so far you can go without being signed it seems, because everyone is a cunt.

Probably the main concern is the fact that the evil label try and mould you into something you are not, get over this and I think you've won.

Some decent riffs, a lot of boring ones though. The vocals are pretty dire too, and the more modern elements of the sound are horrible. Tight, but ultimately uninteresting.

By the by, is no one concerned that Earache will just drop these bands when the thrash bubble bursts? They've got an awful track record of chasing what's trendy/popular, and treating other bands which they signed on previous trends like dirt.

Phillybomb wrote:Myspace can't, sadly, win you a place on a decent European tour or pull a proper audience together.

http://www.myspace.com/factorymusic


pick a tour, work out how much you're gonna pay them.





.Only the strong survive.

Phillybomb wrote:reaching people is the reason music is made

I couldnt disagree with this more, i believe music is a representation of something, i dont believe that it is made intentionally to try and reach someone, either mentally or physically.



If you're goal is to play to all 6 billion people on this planet Regardless of weather they want to hear you or not, then i wish you luck. It is no goal of mine.

i actually like this a lot, its just dead energetic and bouncy, cant really remember what this reminds me of, but its powerful as fuck, feed the beast is kick ass

Cool guys too. They're young and hungry. I'm also hungry. Think i'll go eat some pizza and play some Heretic.

edtrax wrote:Think i'll go eat some pizza

I wish I had pizza.

I wish I had some Heretic.