Testament - The Formation of Damnation

by **thrashduck** on Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:05 pm

Dear Darling Facist Bully Boy, please give me more money, you bastard, boom shanka, Neil.

by **Metal Iain** on Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:10 pm

I thought they replaced 'boom shanka' with 'may the seed of your loin be fruitful in the belly of your woman'.

by **thrashduck** on Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:12 pm

Shit, they did, I knew I'd got it wrong.

by **Steve** on Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:45 pm

James wrote:That's still stupid, I don't want to sound like Lars here but you wouldn't steal something from a shop, try it out for a few days then go back and pay for it only if you like it... or maybe you would.

Have you ever heard of a sample stall in a supermarket? :roll:

Or how about companies who let you trial a product before you actually buy it, and if you don't like it, you send it back

by **EvileOL** on Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:15 pm

There's so many different arguments but no matter which way you cut it, downloading it without permission/payment is illegal.

Supermarkets sampling products is exactly like what Testament have done with their Myspace, to let you see if you like it or not.

You don't go to the woman in the supermarket and say "actually thats not good enough, i'll just steal the rest of it, then decide if i actually want it. But then if I actually do like it, I probably won't buy it anyway because 1. my funds are low, 2. why should I when it's already in my posession".

You can argue other kinds of products (eg. foods) all you want but Music is different. You can't download an apple, and if you could, the distributors and business men behind the apple wouldn't be very happy.

Lev - Pulverizer wrote:
gamabomb wrote:im not being a dick but you would'nt post evile's album on here would you?

No, I wouldn't. No one would want it.

This is different!

[serious] *slits wrists* [/serious]

by **James** on Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:22 pm

Metal Iain wrote:Would you have us blow a 10-er just to find out? What if it's shit?

Ever heard of reading some REVIEWS, or like Ol says, checking out the taster tracks Testament willingly put on their Myspace?

Anyway, if you really prided yourself on owning the whole Testament catalogue, surely you'd buy it for completeness? I know I would with Iron Maiden..

by **John** on Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:25 pm

EvileOL wrote:You can't download an apple

Yet an apple can download an album. Hmmmmm :-k

by **EvileOL** on Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:27 pm

Let me quote a mate, Sam Bean of The Berzerker.

You know that pizza job of yours, paying minimum wage? Well, we need you to fly to another country to do it. No, you can't bring your mommy or your girlfriend. Your work may or may not organise a visa for you. And you can move all the pizza making equipment from one country to another, at your cost. And source the ingredients. You will work for 10 hours in a different city each day, and sometimes there'll be customers. And often, there'll be none. Either don't like your pizza, or the store forgot to tell 'em you're coming. Each day, dudes who try your pizza will jump on the net - after eating your pizza - and tell everyone it sucks, and that you suck too. Some cities are in different countries that won't let you in, oops, someone forgot to get a visa for that place. And if you're not making money every day, you may not make enough to buy petrol to get to the next place. And at the end of it, the dude who organised this pizza making expedition runs off with your takings, leaving you with nothing but pizza dough in your pockets.

"But HEY - you should LOVE making pizza. Hell, you should be GRATEFUL we're eating it"

Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck you all times a million.

by **Lev** on Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:36 pm

James wrote:
Metal Iain wrote:Would you have us blow a 10-er just to find out? What if it's shit?

Ever heard of reading some REVIEWS

Listening to music through other peoples opinion? - I would have never have found Dream Theater.

And don't cry Ol, I bought your album.

by **EvileOL** on Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:38 pm

too late, the blood is seeping down my pants, as i was serious.

by **Steve** on Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:27 pm

Regarding taster tracks, how would I know the rest of the album will kick as much ass as the taster track? This is why I support the fact some bands stream their entire new albums on MySpace for a limited time; you can listen to it for free but only for a limited time, so chances are you will buy it in the near future.

I fully accept that downloading an album for free, regardless of whether you intend on buying it or not, but my money deserves to be spent on decent albums.

But like I said before why should it be any different to those free home trials some companies do before asking you to pay if you like it or return it if you don't?

by **EvileOL** on Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:31 pm

\m/Steve\m/ wrote:But like I said before why should it be any different to those free home trials some companies do before asking you to pay if you like it or return it if you don't?

Like i said there's an argument for everything, but if that free home trial expiry date failed and you were able to carry on with it without their knowledge, would that person honestly pay for it? No.

by **Metal Iain** on Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:36 pm

EvileOL wrote:There's so many different arguments but no matter which way you cut it, downloading it without permission/payment is illegal.

So is pissing in the street but I bet you'd do it if it was more convenient than looking for a public bog.

by **GoreBastard** on Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:42 pm

I only usually download albums if
a) They're hard as fuck to get hold of, but if I saw it I'd buy it.
b) I've never heared the band and am downloading a few tracks to see if they're worthy of buying.

If I like em, I'll buy em. I don't like copied CD's. it makes your CD collection look shit. I like my CD collection, it's almost as big as Martins ego... Hahaaa

by **Metal Iain** on Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:43 pm

James wrote:
Metal Iain wrote:Would you have us blow a 10-er just to find out? What if it's shit?

Ever heard of reading some REVIEWS, or like Ol says, checking out the taster tracks Testament willingly put on their Myspace?

Anyway, if you really prided yourself on owning the whole Testament catalogue, surely you'd buy it for completeness? I know I would with Iron Maiden..

I rarely want to read what other people think of an album because they're invariably wrong. I can't ever remember reading a review of an album that I could endorse completely. Moreover, critics of any medium tend to be complete arseholes. As for MySpace, I was going to say that puting the album up so that people can hear it is a pretty good idea. However, it just encourages you to use the internet to access music. If you're sitting looking at MySpace listening to an album for 45 minutes, you could quite easily download it in that time and not have to fanny about on MySpace at all. Again, it's just using the noggin.

Aye, I wouldn't mind owning the new album if it's good. I really don't see the appeal of being a complete-ist any more though. Why would anyone given that a lot of the time you only ever use the album once? I might buy, for example, the Best of Fleetwood Mac because it's something that you can put on as background noise at parties. I wouldn't consider sticking on a Metal album at a party though, even if it were a Metalhead event. In that case, you're better off with AC/DC or something.

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