Metal Iain wrote:

boovidge wrote:how are kiss underated, theyre incredibly popular?! it's like saying the beatles are underated. All the bands you mention are incredibly poppy rock with standard song structures. Nothing wrong with that but that's not what Led Zeppelin were so comparing them is completely stupid.

Kiss, in this day and age, are perceived to be popular because they are the closest thing to a brand a band has ever come to being. This is, however, to ignore that prior to Kiss becoming what they came to represent, i.e. lunch boxes and pinball machines, the band put out stellar Classic Rock.

What you say is complete bollocks I'm afraid. Would you call the intro to Rock Bottom poppy rock with standard song structures? What about Detroit Rock City or Love Gun? The guitar harmonies alone in those songs put Kiss above most bands of the era. As for Boston or The Eagles, are you really implying that songs such as Something About You, Used To Bad News, Journey of the Sorcerer (much better than Kashmir), and even Hotel California are 'incredibly poppy rock with standard song structures'? If you are, you are just wrong because all three of the bands mentioned in this paragraph were capable of both musicianship and songwriting that the hacks in Led Zeppelin could only have dreamed of.

Oh shit it's another Metal Iain post with incrdible bias and subjective "evidence" . If you're trying to tell me those bands experimented with the various genres, instruments and progressive song structures that Led Zeppelin did then you're flat out lying for the sake of an argument (but you wouldnt do that would you? ) Trying to tell anyone that Hotel California is anything but a pop song is laughable frankly. I'm not trying to tell you Led Zep are better because thats a matter of opinon but comparing the bands is pointless

I prefer Ace Frehley and Ritchie Blackmore as lead guitarists over Page. Although I like the old Zeppelin stuff, I'd probably give the edge to Deep Purple, they were more original definately, and I have to admit Kiss wrote some great tunes aswell.

boovidge wrote:

Metal Iain wrote:

boovidge wrote:how are kiss underated, theyre incredibly popular?! it's like saying the beatles are underated. All the bands you mention are incredibly poppy rock with standard song structures. Nothing wrong with that but that's not what Led Zeppelin were so comparing them is completely stupid.

Kiss, in this day and age, are perceived to be popular because they are the closest thing to a brand a band has ever come to being. This is, however, to ignore that prior to Kiss becoming what they came to represent, i.e. lunch boxes and pinball machines, the band put out stellar Classic Rock.

What you say is complete bollocks I'm afraid. Would you call the intro to Rock Bottom poppy rock with standard song structures? What about Detroit Rock City or Love Gun? The guitar harmonies alone in those songs put Kiss above most bands of the era. As for Boston or The Eagles, are you really implying that songs such as Something About You, Used To Bad News, Journey of the Sorcerer (much better than Kashmir), and even Hotel California are 'incredibly poppy rock with standard song structures'? If you are, you are just wrong because all three of the bands mentioned in this paragraph were capable of both musicianship and songwriting that the hacks in Led Zeppelin could only have dreamed of.

Oh shit it's another Metal Iain post with incrdible bias and subjective "evidence" . If you're trying to tell me those bands experimented with the various genres, instruments and progressive song structures that Led Zeppelin did then you're flat out lying for the sake of an argument (but you wouldnt do that would you? ) Trying to tell anyone that Hotel California is anything but a pop song is laughable frankly. I'm not trying to tell you Led Zep are better because thats a matter of opinon but comparing the bands is pointless

It might just be me, but I thought a forum, by definition, is a space in which people air and discuss their opinions. Fair enough, I believe my opinions to be more or less fact, but sadly I can't force other people to do so.

One day though...

The Eagles, indeed, did experiment with various genres, instruments and progressive song structures, more so than Led Zeppelin (As did Kiss, for that matter). Considering they started out more or less as a Country band and ended up doing songs like Journey of the Sorcerer, Life In the Fast Lane and Visions is a testament to this. No, Hotel California was not a Pop song. Bearing in mind that the world was on the verge of Disco and The Eagles' key demographic was, and still is, red-necks, I don't see why you would call it Pop. Wait, is it because it's ever-so-slightly catchy and memorable? That would tend to get the stamp of disapproval from your common UK Idiot.

I don't see why a comparison of things that are fundamentally different is ever pointless. You don't merely have to compare them for their music; you could ask which band is the more important for music in general. People do this with The Beatles and Elvis and they are about as different as you can get so I'm not buying your contention here.

I love Led Zeppelin, I'd much rather listen to Pink Floyd or something though.

Metal Iain wrote: I don't see why a comparison of things that are fundamentally different is ever pointless. You don't merely have to compare them for their music; you could ask which band is the more important for music in general. People do this with The Beatles and Elvis and they are about as different as you can get so I'm not buying your contention here.

It's true that comparisons do not have to be between similar styles and that you can move out of the remit of 'who did this music better'. It's just a shame that generally your arguments always seem to then develop into 'who fucked more women' or 'who ingested more drugs/alcohol'.

I don't think that to suggest KISS or The Eagles were either poppy or simple in structure. Especially if we define pop as something that is commercially viable (and as pop derives from popular, that is mu understanding of the word). I also don't think it's necessarily insulting. I'd probably also lay these accusations at Led Zep too, however, for a large number of their songs.

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STD_Caps wrote:It's just a shame that generally your arguments always seem to then develop into 'who fucked more women' or 'who ingested more drugs/alcohol'.

You mean the Def Leppard Standard?