Dian Wei wrote:
Hey i am all for the science route, but in an infinite universe there are infinite possibilities and one of those if god.

i logged in just to agree with you dude.

Who cares? If there is a God - he hates you, if there isn't a God - you're still a stupid virgin any way.

God doesn't hate Martn, he loves us all

Dian Wei wrote:

Hostile wrote:What could possibly be stupider than total inflexibility on the existence of a freakin' magical creator? It's fiction, and it's ridiculous. We have no reason to believe in a God. Belief in a creator is just an excuse to avoid asking the important questions. "Magic" is NOT a rational answer, nor is "I dunno" or "It could be anything".

Hey i am all for the science route, but in an infinite universe there are infinite possibilities and one of those if god.

Okay, so it's possible. But it's not likely, and there is no evidence to support the theory, so when we compare religious fanatics to men like Dawkins, I think it's clear that the spirit of absurdity clearly resides in those who would only accept one possibility, compared to those who accept all but one.

If I sound like an intolerant asshole, it's probably because I'm an intolerant asshole. My entire life, christianity has done nothing but indoctrinate, control and mock me, from childhood to adulthood and most likely beyond. I just watched Louis Theroux's weekend with the God Hates Fags family. If you want to see the dictionary definition of "egomaniacal intolerant twat", look up Pastor Fred Phelps and his family of hateful, twisted children. Their insane belief in an absolute power who's law is known only to them enables them to perform the cruelest of acts with a clean conscience. So I'm sorry If I offend anyone by being quite so judgemental, suffice to say that nothing gets my vagina sandy quite like "religious tolerance".

Agnostics, pfft. The bisexuals of the faith spectrum.

My entire life, christianity has done nothing but indoctrinate, control and mock me

'Mocked' my arse. You've sat at your computer with a bag of crisps reading up on religion on Wikipedia.

MartinC wrote:

My entire life, christianity has done nothing but indoctrinate, control and mock me

'Mocked' my arse. You've sat at your computer with a bag of crisps reading up on religion on Wikipedia.

That's scarily accurate. However I meant "mocked" to refer to discussing religion with the varied people of faith that I have met. It seems to me like on average these people will treat non-believers mockingly, often talking down to you as if you lack the intellect to share in their divine vision. Others openly condemn you to hell and offer false pity. I'm just smiling on the inside, knowing that pride is a deadly sin.

Hostile i think you're confusing the belief in God or the belief that a God may exist with homophobia and racism. Try and seperate the two.

Is god the mistake of man, or is man the mistake of god????

Religion is just an emotional crutch. I don't understand what people can get from it. How does it make your life better by believing in God. Religion has been responsible for more wars and murders than anything else.
"The pope says to the atheist
In God's name I do swear
You're searching blindly in the dark
For something that ain't there
The atheist says to the pope
There ain't no getting round it
You too were searching in the dark
For nothing, now you found it."

Hostile wrote:
Okay, so it's possible. But it's not likely, and there is no evidence to support the theory, so when we compare religious fanatics to men like Dawkins, I think it's clear that the spirit of absurdity clearly resides in those who would only accept one possibility, compared to those who accept all but one.

In my opinion they are as stupid as each other, you can not be a man of science and refuse to believe that all things are possible.

Hostile wrote:If I sound like an intolerant asshole, it's probably because I'm an intolerant asshole. My entire life, christianity has done nothing but indoctrinate, control and mock me, from childhood to adulthood and most likely beyond. I just watched Louis Theroux's weekend with the God Hates Fags family. If you want to see the dictionary definition of "egomaniacal intolerant twat", look up Pastor Fred Phelps and his family of hateful, twisted children. Their insane belief in an absolute power who's law is known only to them enables them to perform the cruelest of acts with a clean conscience. So I'm sorry If I offend anyone by being quite so judgemental, suffice to say that nothing gets my vagina sandy quite like "religious tolerance".

I had Christianity forced down my throat as well, both me and Torso went to a CoE primary school where every day we had to sing hymns and do some form of bible study. But i chose not to believe it and i still do.

I also agree that Christianity can be horribly warped for peoples own views i.e Pastor Fred Phelps and other organizations that claim to be Christian such as the KKK. On the whole however modern Christians on the most part harmless and if they want to believe that there is some sort of omnipresent being floating around judging us then it is their choice if not their right to do so.

And for the most part Christianity contains a half decent moral code that the majority of the world is really lacking. So parts of it are what i would call evil yes, but others if not the majority are quite good. This of course relates to small local churches and the like, the higher up the ranks of holiness the more corrupt you are. I think history has proven that one.

Hostile wrote:Agnostics, pfft. The bisexuals of the faith spectrum.

I wouldn't really call myself an agnostic, i just don't feel i am a big enough man to say there is no god. It's a silly idea, but at the minute it is as creditable as anything else.

Hostile wrote: I'm just smiling on the inside, knowing that pride is a deadly sin.

One you are apparently guilty of, lol.

GOD doesn't exist, people can beliebe it if they want to, I don;t think anyone cares about what someone else wants, just they should fuck off and not force it on everyone and those holy wars are a load of wank aswell....

Humans were a genetic experiment by aliens 30,000 years ago, everyone knows that....

boovidge wrote:Hostile i think you're confusing the belief in God or the belief that a God may exist with homophobia and racism. Try and seperate the two.

I think superstition and ignorance go hand in hand. Many, many people take the word of the bible to assert their belief that homosexuality is a sin. Indeed there is plenty of biblical evidence to support this idea. Some use the same type of practise to enforce their racial prejudices. Of-course a decent percentage of christians probably discard these attitudes for what they are, misguided hatred. It doesn't stop the two working as a very efficient unit for sharing hateful ideas through vulnerable people.

Dian: Honestly, I wouldn't consider christians harmless. Yes, there are lots of people of faith who can practise their delusions quietly and peacefully. But look at America: it's something like 80% of American adults that believe in God as a genuine entity. The majority of their schools are now teaching "intelligent design" as an alternative to science! That's not harmless. These people are trying to undo scientific progress and succeeding. They want their "magic man" answer taught alongside Now "intelligent design" is in our schools too. This isn't just a family of extremists like the Phelps, this is a worldwide correlation of thought between christians and other religious types. It's not all of them, but it's enough to present a serious threat. This is why we need people like Dawkins.

Dian Wei wrote:In my opinion they are as stupid as each other, you can not be a man of science and refuse to believe that all things are possible.

I'd say all things are possible with explanation. God denies explanation. "Faith" has no place in science.

Dian Wei wrote:I wouldn't really call myself an agnostic, i just don't feel i am a big enough man to say there is no god. It's a silly idea, but at the minute it is as creditable as anything else.

Hostile wrote: I'm just smiling on the inside, knowing that pride is a deadly sin.

One you are apparently guilty of, lol.

I didn't mean to really accuse you of agnosticism, I'm just expressing distaste for the concept. I don't see the need to flip-flop on something like this. No-one pisses me off more than the "I believe there might be SOMETHING out there" crew.

And while I wouldn't say I had any more pride than your average human being, at least I'm not living my life by the commands of a fictitious father-figure vaguely descibed in an ancient book. That's something I can say with pride.

I'm sorry if I offend any christians on this forum. I guess you'll just have to make like a messiah and forgive me.

Mate, you should make a black metal band and shut up.

let's agree to disagree.
I think Dawkins' main concern is how the CHURCHES of the world use religion to confuse and control the population.



B.T.W- does anyone else find my avatar fucking annoying??

Nah, it's pretty cool. BETTER THAN RELIGION, ANYWAY!