Bloody hell Josh

What an intelligent post !! i agree with everything you have said...

and at 2 am too !! are you drunk, or an imposter??

Who are you?? What have you done with Josh??? ...

Josh_reign wrote:in order for the scene to progress the mainstream have to get involved, espeaciallly people like kerrang and metal hammer.

Don't really agree

James wrote:

Josh_reign wrote:in order for the scene to progress the mainstream have to get involved, espeaciallly people like kerrang and metal hammer.

Don't really agree

I dunno... It would be good for the underground to get SOME sort of recognition in these larger publications, but I wouldn't want people to be listening to us just because we're featured in an article and Kerrang says good things, know what I mean??

booked my ticket for manchester

thrash metal maniac wrote:

James wrote:

Josh_reign wrote:in order for the scene to progress the mainstream have to get involved, espeaciallly people like kerrang and metal hammer.

Don't really agree

I dunno... It would be good for the underground to get SOME sort of recognition in these larger publications, but I wouldn't want people to be listening to us just because we're featured in an article and Kerrang says good things, know what I mean??

Plenty of proper underground metal bands have survived, gigged, etc. for years without any support from the mainstream. Personally, I couldn't care less who gets involved, or who takes who out on tour. And I don't really understand what 'the scene progressing' means. It's a bit sad in my opinion that everyone is so concerned with being 'thrash' and part of a scene.

Bestial Bill wrote:

thrash metal maniac wrote:

James wrote:

Josh_reign wrote:in order for the scene to progress the mainstream have to get involved, espeaciallly people like kerrang and metal hammer.

Don't really agree

I dunno... It would be good for the underground to get SOME sort of recognition in these larger publications, but I wouldn't want people to be listening to us just because we're featured in an article and Kerrang says good things, know what I mean??

Plenty of proper underground metal bands have survived, gigged, etc. for years without any support from the mainstream. Personally, I couldn't care less who gets involved, or who takes who out on tour. And I don't really understand what 'the scene progressing' means. It's a bit sad in my opinion that everyone is so concerned with being 'thrash' and part of a scene.

There isn't even a scene anyway.

I'd say a scene is usually defined along the lines of a 'localized, independent, music-oriented community', as stolen from somewhere on the interweb, that pretty much applies to the thrash bands here in the UK, but I dont see why people would choose to fixate on it (for or against) for any reason, its just a catch all term for the thrash bands in the UK at the moment...

I happen to agree with Josh though, Annihilator will at least get to play to a crowd this time, I hear last time they played Rios it was pretty empty, and they donft often come through the UK anyway so any chance for UK fans to see them is good, and yeh, Trivium get the chance to be seen with a proper thrash band, although no doubt they'll be completely shown up, shite as they are.

Jono wrote:I'd say a scene is usually defined along the lines of a 'localized, independent, music-oriented community', as stolen from somewhere on the interweb, that pretty much applies to the thrash bands here in the UK, but I dont see why people would choose to fixate on it (for or against) for any reason, its just a catch all term for the thrash bands in the UK at the moment...

I happen to agree with Josh though, Annihilator will at least get to play to a crowd this time, I hear last time they played Rios it was pretty empty, and they donft often come through the UK anyway so any chance for UK fans to see them is good, and yeh, Trivium get the chance to be seen with a proper thrash band, although no doubt they'll be completely shown up, shite as they are.

Hmm, fine, maybe there is a scene but at the moment at least I don't think the name "UK Thrash" has any significance apart from "a bunch of thrash bands who just happen to be in the UK". Nobody is making anything different, everyone just wants to copy the Bay Area or the German scene (except in a few cases).

i think a more appropriate word is "community".

or just, go/don't go

It's Music

MartinC wrote:Nobody is making anything different, everyone just wants to copy the Bay Area or the German scene (except in a few cases).

No Martin, you just want people to be doing that so you can say "at least Heretic are trying really hard not to be the same"...
I don't think that just cos a band is playing thrash (yes, heavily influenced by the 80s thrash movements) they should be called copies! Lots of bands are making things DIFFERENT to songs from the 80s (well they're written NOW not then for a start) and theres no harm whatsoever in sounding a bit like this and a bit like that, thats just influences showing through. So stop slagging everyone off who sounds "80s" just because you don't like it, not that anyone could care less if it comes from Martin anyway though!!!!

thrash metal maniac wrote:

MartinC wrote:Nobody is making anything different, everyone just wants to copy the Bay Area or the German scene (except in a few cases).

No Martin, you just want people to be doing that so you can say "at least Heretic are trying really hard not to be the same"...
I don't think that just cos a band is playing thrash (yes, heavily influenced by the 80s thrash movements) they should be called copies! Lots of bands are making things DIFFERENT to songs from the 80s (well they're written NOW not then for a start) and theres no harm whatsoever in sounding a bit like this and a bit like that, thats just influences showing through. So stop slagging everyone off who sounds "80s" just because you don't like it, not that anyone could care less if it comes from Martin anyway though!!!!

I didn't say there was anything wrong with sounding 80s, I said I just didn't think it was that favourable to aim to be a carbon copy of those bands. You can take ideas from the old scenes and incorporate them into something new - or you can just do your best to copy old Exodus riffs. It doesn't matter either way, but in my opinion to have some sort of scene or movement, the music should strive to be a bit different and establish it's own characteristics/conventions. I never said there's any harm in what people are doing, I just wouldn't say it's anything to get excited about.

Yet.

The Bay Area sound excites me because I think that, if people play hard enough, maybe we can all slide back in time to 1986.

Hostile wrote:The Bay Area sound excites me because I think that, if people play hard enough, maybe we can all slide back in time to 1986.

That's not gonna happen until someone learns how to play at 88mph.

MartinC wrote:

Hostile wrote:The Bay Area sound excites me because I think that, if people play hard enough, maybe we can all slide back in time to 1986.

That's not gonna happen until someone learns how to play at 88mph.

That sounds like a challenge to me...