boovidge wrote:

Metal Iain wrote: people like boovidge have slowly but surely turned me into a staunch conservative regarding Foreign Policy.

Iain at one point you agreed with me but said something like you didn't like the 'hyper liberal' way i'd put it. I guess you have to face up the reality that most people in this country have a 'hyper liberal' view on the Iraq war (i.e they think it was wrong.) You clearly don't care about the people of the middle east which is fair enough, but you refuse to accept the reality that this war does effect us directly.

And i'm not a liberal

I still don't see how it does apart from the fact that you don't get bins in train stations anymore. I doubt that was even a product of 9/11 or 7/7 what with the IRA and all.

And I'm not going to make a sweeping generalisation saying that the majority of UK Citizens believe the War in Iraq was wrong because I've not seen nor heard of anything that says that.

Metal Iain wrote:I still don't see how it does apart from the fact that you don't get bins in train stations anymore. I doubt that was even a product of 9/11 or 7/7 what with the IRA and all.

You don't pay taxes then I guess?

And since you're in Education, it does technically affect you, so never let me hear you say that your uni is bad. Same thing goes for if you go to hospital and end up waiting for hours! Simple fact is, the money is going elsewhere, when it shouldn't be, and the country hasn't increased productivity or anything like in the other times of war....

The argument is not what the government should do now, it's what they should have done previously. Neither France nor Germany entered the war, why did we have to?

George Bush does have considerable powers to go to war. Congress has the power to deny funding which it has been threatening to do but because of the excessive patriotism in the U.S this is usually unpopular.

I'm not an anti war protester, i don't call Bush and Blair war criminals and I don't lose sleep over dead Iraqis but the facts are there loud and clear and it's ridiculous to deny them because you don't like the anti war stereotypes.

A wise man once said the follwing words which are quite appropriate at this juncture, and have a somewhat poignant resonance in the current climate:


Fuck the middle east
There's too many problems
They just get in the way
We sure could live without them
They hijack our planes
They raise our oil prices
We'll kill them all and have a ball
And end their fuckin' crisis
BEIRUT, LEBANON-Won't exist once we're done
LIBYA, IRAN-We'll flush the bastards down the can
SYRIANS and SHIITES-Crush their faces with our might
Then Israel and Egypt can live in peace without these dicks

You forget, that man also said...

"WHY CAN'T I GET SOME FUCKING MILK! MY CHEERIOS JUST AIN'T THE SAME!"

Nice one Mort, was listening to that just this morning hehe

thrash metal maniac wrote:

Metal Iain wrote:I still don't see how it does apart from the fact that you don't get bins in train stations anymore. I doubt that was even a product of 9/11 or 7/7 what with the IRA and all.

You don't pay taxes then I guess?

And since you're in Education, it does technically affect you, so never let me hear you say that your uni is bad. Same thing goes for if you go to hospital and end up waiting for hours! Simple fact is, the money is going elsewhere, when it shouldn't be, and the country hasn't increased productivity or anything like in the other times of war....

I'd never say my Uni is bad. The University of Glasgow is excellent and I pay nothing to study there until I graduate. Even then it's like two grand.

I use the NHS far more than 90% of the population. I'm on an anti-rejection pill that costs £17 a pill and I take six of them a day. That's just one of the five medications I take. And yesterday I went for a bloodtest and was seen twenty five minutes before scheduled. Moreover, I was on the transplant list for ten days before an organ came up for me. It was hardly an eternity.

The bulk of people who knock the NHS are, in my experience, the people who rely on it least and I've noticed no drop in the quality of service since the Invasion of Iraq. Then again, Education and Health is radically different in Scotland vis-a-vis England. We've evidently got the much better system.

boovidge wrote:The argument is not what the government should do now, it's what they should have done previously. Neither France nor Germany entered the war, why did we have to?

George Bush does have considerable powers to go to war. Congress has the power to deny funding which it has been threatening to do but because of the excessive patriotism in the U.S this is usually unpopular.

I'm not an anti war protester, i don't call Bush and Blair war criminals and I don't lose sleep over dead Iraqis but the facts are there loud and clear and it's ridiculous to deny them because you don't like the anti war stereotypes.

Gloating about a government faux pas really isn't a constructive position to take and I seem to remember France having just struck up a pretty major deal with Iraq prior to 2003.

The War Powers Act (1973) reigned in the President's ability to take decisions about troop deployment fairly radically. George Bush had to gain Congressional Accent before sending troops to Iraq which he managed to do. I assume now that the Democrats have control of the House of Representatives and the Senate, issues over funding are going to arise more frequently.

Metal Iain wrote:

thrash metal maniac wrote:

Metal Iain wrote:I still don't see how it does apart from the fact that you don't get bins in train stations anymore. I doubt that was even a product of 9/11 or 7/7 what with the IRA and all.

You don't pay taxes then I guess?

And since you're in Education, it does technically affect you, so never let me hear you say that your uni is bad. Same thing goes for if you go to hospital and end up waiting for hours! Simple fact is, the money is going elsewhere, when it shouldn't be, and the country hasn't increased productivity or anything like in the other times of war....

I'd never say my Uni is bad. The University of Glasgow is excellent and I pay nothing to study there until I graduate. Even then it's like two grand.

I use the NHS far more than 90% of the population. I'm on an anti-rejection pill that costs £17 a pill and I take six of them a day. That's just one of the five medications I take. And yesterday I went for a bloodtest and was seen twenty five minutes before scheduled. Moreover, I was on the transplant list for ten days before an organ came up for me. It was hardly an eternity.

The bulk of people who knock the NHS are, in my experience, the people who rely on it least and I've noticed no drop in the quality of service since the Invasion of Iraq. Then again, Education and Health is radically different in Scotland vis-a-vis England. We've evidently got the much better system.

I agree, my experiences of the NHS were always good. When I broke my leg (on a trampoline, as i'm so hardcore) I needed a rod through one of the bones and pins and stuff. Had the surgery the day after I broke it, considering I broke it at like 7pm the day before that's pretty amazing.

AND they serve turkey dinosaurs, the best damn food ever.

You made Jamie Oliver cry.