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Postby STD_Caps on Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:37 pm

What I have read against Dawkins is that he is as much a fundamentalist as those he opposes. His truth is science. Similar accusations have been laid at the nob-head that is Christopher Hitchens. This may be my reservation on science - I do not like the idea of its 'truth' replacing religion. It may not be true of Dawkins (like I said, haven't read enough) but I can definitely see science impacting in this way.
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Postby swizzlenuts on Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:42 pm

Yes Dawkins is a fundamentalist, in logic and reasoning. He wants to know the truth, and he maintains the position of disbelief until proper evidence is put forward. I don't see how that is a bad thing? Perhaps it's perceived as bad because it's 'rude' to criticize religion?

I've read the argument that they are fundamentalists, but the whole thing comes back to evidence. Do you have good reason to believe what you believe? They maintain that the religious don't, and while they don't know what exactly is the truth, they believe in the best scientific explanation given.
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Postby STD_Caps on Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:58 pm

Anti-Religion by STD

Got the right to think for myself
I make my laws and no one else

Pro-independence/Anti-religion
Don't need a God to make my decisions

All preserve patriarchy
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Pro-independence/Anti-religion
Don't need a God to make my decisions

Not gonna follow no religion
All of them rife with contradiction

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Don't need a God to make my decisions
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Postby James on Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:24 am

We should be thankful we didn't grow up like this:

http://www.lucascantor.com/lucascantor/ ... _Camp.html
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Postby GoreBastard on Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:48 am

God and religion is gay. It's for gays.
Only gays like God...
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Postby thrashduck on Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:46 am

No, duh....

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Postby Creeping Dan on Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:25 am

There was some programme on TV about those people that held those signs up at soldiers funerals. But the soldiers (as far as i know) wern't gay.

If anything is worth the worship, its this guy.
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Postby swizzlenuts on Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:41 am

If there were absolute proof that the Yaweh (God of the Christians) existed, would you worship him?
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Postby James on Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:51 pm

If he existed, or if he created us, decided if we went to hell, and could do everything?
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Postby swizzlenuts on Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:17 pm

James wrote:If he existed, or if he created us, decided if we went to hell, and could do everything?

Any claim that Christians have made up (save the contradictions) were scientifically proved and repeatable and the only reasonable choice is to accept his existence. Would you worship him?
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Postby Lev on Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:25 pm

No. I'd think the last thing God wants on a Sunday morning after a night out on the piss, is fucking a million bells going off and a load of fellas singing.
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Postby James on Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:36 pm

swizzlenuts wrote:
James wrote:If he existed, or if he created us, decided if we went to hell, and could do everything?

Any claim that Christians have made up (save the contradictions) were scientifically proved and repeatable and the only reasonable choice is to accept his existence. Would you worship him?


Of course! If he can do anything, and decide where whether or not we spend eternity in a real place where you burn and are tortured for ever, I would obviously want to be on his side!
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Postby thrashduck on Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:21 pm

James wrote:
swizzlenuts wrote:
James wrote:If he existed, or if he created us, decided if we went to hell, and could do everything?

Any claim that Christians have made up (save the contradictions) were scientifically proved and repeatable and the only reasonable choice is to accept his existence. Would you worship him?


Of course! If he can do anything, and decide where whether or not we spend eternity in a real place where you burn and are tortured for ever, I would obviously want to be on his side!


That's what happened in Nazi Germany!

Form a resistance and try and nuke god?
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Postby STD_Caps on Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:37 am

We need to create rifts in the fabrics between worlds and launch a war on the Authority.
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Re: God

Postby Stevedot2 on Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:01 pm

James wrote:I often take it for granted that hardly any metal fans believe in God, but I was just curious how right I am about this.

Does anyone believe in the being who Christians, or any other religion for that matter, call God?

If not, does anyone have a wider belief in the supernatural or divine forces?

As the non-existance of such a being can never be proven, I am not asking "who feels that there could be a divine being beyond our understanding" - I think most people would acknowledge the possibility of this. I am asking if anyone actively believes in the existance of such a being/power, and if so, why?

I'm likely to delete silly or pointless answers (with the possible exception of "Halford").


This is something that I can talk about for hours. I have many different beliefs, but I mainly believe in a theory of infinity, where all is possible. I don't believe in any religious stuff because that's just silly stuff somebody made up a few thousand years ago. I believe there could be a "God" but I don't think it would be a physical being who "created" us. Just as a side note, I also kind of believe in Fate, but I do have some very loose scientific thinking behind that confusing theory I made up. I also kind of believe in Karma, but then again, when I think about it, I don't, I dunno. This is all stuff I prefer not to think about cause you can never come to a proper conclusion.

This sort of thing is why I like halucenagenics, cause they get you away from the reality that we all know, it's way more iteresting.
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