thrash metal maniac wrote:No need to downgrade any of the drugs, if people really want to do them, they will find a way to get some and do it!!!

I thought LSD was really hard to get hold of these days?

MartinC wrote:I don't like ecstacy, but if people want to take it, let them.

People don't know what they want. Idiots.

"People voted for the Nazis, you can't trust people"

Precisely.

James wrote:

thrash metal maniac wrote:No need to downgrade any of the drugs, if people really want to do them, they will find a way to get some and do it!!!

I thought LSD was really hard to get hold of these days?

Yeah but if you really wanted to get some, you could easily.

Bangover wrote:

James wrote:

thrash metal maniac wrote:No need to downgrade any of the drugs, if people really want to do them, they will find a way to get some and do it!!!

I thought LSD was really hard to get hold of these days?

Yeah but if you really wanted to get some, you could easily.

I doubt he could. I'm assuming that, like myself, James isn't a drug-taking degenerate and so probably wouldn't have the first idea of where to start looking for LSD. I know I've said it before but, if I didn't already have a couple of pot-head mates, I don't think I'd know where to get cannabis let alone LSD/something stronger.

I think that's the fundamental flaw of the 'legalise drugs and they'll no longer be a problem' argument; if you legalise drugs, you're basically allowing people to make a profit from them by selling them in shops and so forth. If the Government is trying to clamp down on kiddies being able to buy alcohol and cigarettes, there's no chance in Hell it's going to make ecstasy easier to get.

iain, don't you think your "high horse" attitude is a bit rich from someone who isn't exactly candid about their alcohol misuse?

If they legalise cannabis or E (which they won't,but for arguments sake) it wouldn't be sold in Sainsbury's. There would probably be special licensed outlets with strict guidelines. A bit like how porn is legal but you don't see on the shelf next to weetabix minis.

boovidge wrote:iain, don't you think your "high horse" attitude is a bit rich from someone who isn't exactly candid about their alcohol misuse?

Nail, head.

boovidge wrote:iain, don't you think your "high horse" attitude is a bit rich from someone who isn't exactly candid about their alcohol misuse?

If they legalise cannabis or E (which they won't,but for arguments sake) it wouldn't be sold in Sainsbury's. There would probably be special licensed outlets with strict guidelines. A bit like how porn is legal but you don't see on the shelf next to weetabix minis.

They would probably have to adminsiter the E in a similar supervised way like they do currently with Methadone at a Pharmacy. Maybe they would have to start a new chain of Rave Chemists where you can get your E and then dance your tits off all at the one place.

The main problem about prohibition is the fact its making the people who produce the drugs (I'm mainly talking about Cannabis here) put adulterants to make it weigh more. Lead, glass and all sorts are being put in it nowadays and if you don't know what your looking at you could easily do A LOT of damage. The fact of the matter is that people will smoke cannabis no matter what laws are and the younger people who want to try it could possibly be smoking lead.

If cannabis were legalised, sold and regulated like it is in Holland things would be very different. The goverment and police force over there knew that people would smoke it and that there would be an increased risk of people trying and taking harder drugs. They put a big focus on separating soft and hard drugs within society, using the money they would have spent on arresting people for having minimal amounts on education etc... In result there has been an insane reduction of hard drug use and the problems that go with it, conversely here statistics and problems are rising every year.

Maybe its a sort of damage limitation and it could possibly save lives, taxpayers money and give scientists access they need to research medical potential. Basically, weather or not your against the legalisation and regulation of cannabis and some other drugs....It does make sense.

When are they going to downgrade Nuke?

boovidge wrote:iain, don't you think your "high horse" attitude is a bit rich from someone who isn't exactly candid about their alcohol misuse?

I probably only drink two nights a week now. If anything, I'd be classed as a binge drinker because I go out on a Saturday night and have eight or 10 pints. I might be being ignorant of hard drugs but I've never really heard of people being able to go from a hard drug habit to one which is barely out-of-the-ordinary 'just like that'.

Bangover wrote:If cannabis were legalised, sold and regulated like it is in Holland things would be very different. The goverment and police force over there knew that people would smoke it and that there would be an increased risk of people trying and taking harder drugs. They put a big focus on separating soft and hard drugs within society, using the money they would have spent on arresting people for having minimal amounts on education etc... In result there has been an insane reduction of hard drug use and the problems that go with it, conversely here statistics and problems are rising every year.

Sorry, but the UK is nothing like the Netherlands and any hope of Britons being able to handle drugs cafés the way the Dutch do is just ludicrous. The Dutch are crazy and morally reprehensible, hence why they have historically been ill-equipped to fight off the Germans. You wouldn't catch Britons stoned out their faces when Gerry comes knocking...

Seriously, though, I thought the Dutch have a whole culture around drugs and sex that starts with parents telling their children about it all from an early age. I'm assuming that's why the Dutch can legalise anything and not worry too much about people abusing it. It was probably the fact that they are so open about drugs and so forth in the first place that meant they could open drugs cafés and so on, rather than the other way round.

That is very true.

However we don't need to follow the dutch model exactly, we need to find our own solution to this problem. It's already been demonstrated that its not working. The problem with that is no one knows what the fuck to do.

I think the answer is don't copy the Dutch. I'm sure a lot of Dutch people must get fed up of things being legalised in the Netherlands just for the sake of it:

'Hmm, euthanasia: don't really know much about it but, fuck it, let's legalise it anyway. We are the Netherlands after all. If there is something that is illegal everywhere else, it is our duty to legalise it.'